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Post by Falconer on Dec 19, 2019 0:12:20 GMT -5
Post-TAS appeals to me the most (the RPG as “more seasons” of Star Trek, with no expectation that TMP will ever happen). But I do see the appeal in The Cage, and if I were focusing on elements from The Cage (like a campaign which heavily features the Rigel/Orion system), I wouldn’t hesitate to set it in that era for maximum flavor (again as a sequel, though).
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Post by c57d on Apr 16, 2020 5:02:29 GMT -5
EDIT - I have just noticed a very similar thread earlier, on this page. My apology for the duplication! Since here in the UK, we are under lockdown, I have been creating ST RPG campaign settings for the FASA game, to keep myself sane(ish). I have finished writing up my Romulan War United Earth ship campaign setting and houserules (copies of my file available if you're interested), and am now toying with a "Cage" era setting. TOS Klingons and Orions will feature prominently in what will be the adventures of one of the earliest "we've just broken the time barrier" exploratory/defence/diplomacy vessels. Just one question, though,for all the learned forum members out there. What do you do about the fact that Pike's crew is stated as 200, while Kirk's is twice that at circa 400? Are they two totally different ships, with Pike's being around half the size of Kirk's (as suggested by Pike's proportionally taller Bridge)? Or, with Pike's being one of the newest and substanially faster, is his ship fitted out for a wider range of missions, and so with less crew living space? Or, is Pike's ship prior to automated fabrication/replication so both less crew can be maintained, and storage of food, water, air and tools and essential spare parts etc takes up much more space and so leaving less living space, hence requiring a much smaller crew? Or something I've not thought of? All your thoughts appreciated.
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Post by Falconer on Apr 16, 2020 8:18:04 GMT -5
No worries. I did merge it with the other thread since it was pretty much the exact same topic. Neat! I wouldn’t want to say the ships change in size. Configuration maybe. Obviously they needed more space on board to house all those giant laser guns. My personal favorite solution is just to say there is a personnel shortage for some reason. It just makes it all seem a little more wild-and-wooly, disorganized and dangerous in a fun, Western sort of way. They are all exhausted, stretched to their limit, at the start of The Cage, and maybe that’s because UESPA was making a brave show of a successful launch when they weren’t actually ready.
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Post by ufc465537 on Apr 16, 2020 13:28:04 GMT -5
Yes please, c57d, I'd like to see what you wrote about the Romulan war! Theres so much material out there for ships and characters and whatnot, and very little in terms of campaign settings and adventures. So lets see it!
As far as the size discrepancy, I chalk it up to adding red shirts to the crew. Seriously, though, I think the connie upgrade saw the reduction in size of most of the equipment, allowing for more crew members to added.
Just my 2 quatloos
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Post by Starbeard on Apr 16, 2020 14:07:53 GMT -5
I think the upgrades and additions in equipment go a long way of explaining it: Pike's ship could sustain fewer people, and therefore was either more limited in application or less capable of fulfilling its expected applications. Kirk's Enterprise had the room and resources to sustain more people, but also had more advanced tech in a wider variety of functions that required more people to operate, so operating efficiency is about equal from one to the other.
However, I hadn't consider the idea that Pike's Enterprise was simply undermanned and stretched thin on resources. I like it a lot. Perhaps even whole sections of the ship were not yet complete or up to standard. Maybe Pike's Enterprise actually did have all of the weaponry and whizgear Kirk had at his disposal, but the ship was launched in such a rush that they were all just sitting there as useless, half-finished prototypes, doing nothing but taking up space and maybe even causing problems.
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Post by Falconer on Apr 16, 2020 20:36:28 GMT -5
Yeah, and then you can brainstorm reasons why Earth was in such a race to get ships out there. Some sort of equivalent of the gold rush? A lithium rush?
Maybe think about using the Constellation as your ship. Since it was part of a presumed old 1000-series which was later upgraded to the 1700-series, it maybe gives you a little bit of a fun way of coming up with anomalies and explaining them.
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Post by c57d on Apr 17, 2020 5:12:13 GMT -5
Yes please, c57d, I'd like to see what you wrote about the Romulan war! Theres so much material out there for ships and characters and whatnot, and very little in terms of campaign settings and adventures. So lets see it! Hi ufc465537 I will be more than pleased to get a copy of my players campaign/setting/houserules file to you. I also have a houseruled character sheet to send to you also. I hope you find them useful brainstorming material. However, I am not sure how you post files here - could you please advise me? Kind regards Michael (c57d)
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Post by c57d on Apr 17, 2020 5:54:36 GMT -5
Thank you all folks for your great brainstorming ideas. I can definitely see UESPA's rush to get this new class out there - spearheading what FASA calls the "Great Awakening". I take on board the line from the "Cage" about "breaking the time barrier", and wonder if the Starship class are the first to benefit from a new, far faster warp drive. So what has made such a difference? I wonder if (as suggested in the last section of the ST novel "The Final Reflection") that up until dilithium controlled MAM warp drive was recently invented, warp drive was generated by fusion reactors. But the fusion method is far less efficient, requires much more fuel and is sloooow. So the new Dilithium MAM powered Starship class are as much the "Great Experiment" as the Excelsior was thirty-forty years later. May be, since MAM is still experimental and not quite 100% reliable, but the politicians need to see the new ships in service -flying the flag now, they have been sent out wth MAM and a back up fusion warp drive - just in case? Two systems powering the warp drive so at least twice as much space taken up in the spaceframe for that. Yes, volunteers queing up to serve on the new wonder ships,but the warp generation system duplication leaving little space for the full crew compliment needed, or for proper recreation and living spaces for those crews (and not much time for recreation anyway!). I love Falconer's idea about my campaign ship being the Constellation. Maybe an earlier fusion warp class with a similar spaceframe design, but now the testbed for MAM, with the all the duplication problems as above? Then, take into account that is before the early fabrication/replication that Kirk's ship had, and more space is taken up with supplies and stores. All this accounts for the limited (and very busy!) 200 crew.
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Post by ufc465537 on Apr 17, 2020 12:41:42 GMT -5
Yes please, c57d, I'd like to see what you wrote about the Romulan war! Theres so much material out there for ships and characters and whatnot, and very little in terms of campaign settings and adventures. So lets see it! Hi ufc465537 I will be more than pleased to get a copy of my players campaign/setting/houserules file to you. I also have a houseruled character sheet to send to you also. I hope you find them useful brainstorming material. However, I am not sure how you post files here - could you please advise me? Kind regards Michael (c57d) If you're looking from you're phone or tablet, if you go all the way down the page theres an option to switch to the desktop version of the site. Then when you reply to a message theres an add attachment button in the upper right. Theres also a file size limitation, but dont ask me what it is Lol! Looking forward to those files! Joe
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Post by c57d on Apr 18, 2020 5:35:39 GMT -5
Hi Joe In order to avoid mixing up topics I have posted to my Rom War thread, entitled "Old old school Trek". Hope you enjoy it.
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Post by TardisCaptain on Aug 27, 2020 16:25:21 GMT -5
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Post by c57d on Aug 28, 2020 6:17:20 GMT -5
Some very useful "Cage" era scenario ideas - thank you!
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