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Post by finarvyn on Nov 19, 2017 10:42:33 GMT -5
[Cross-posted at OD&D Discussion] Dunno if anyone has seen these, but a bunch of fans put together a series of hour-long episodes intended to carry on the TOS legacy. I guess some litigation with another Trek fan-production company has caused Paramount to revise its policy for fan-produced Trek shows, which is helping Star Trek Continues come to an end after 11 episodes. I haven't watched the whole series yet, but I loved the Mirror, Mirror sequel episode. I think this takes one to the first episode of the series. www.youtube.com/watch?v=3G-ziTBAkbQApparently, according to a friend of mine who is really into STC, the two-part conclusion to the series is great and ties the series into the first movie (Star Trek the Motion Picture). Anyone else watch these? What do you think?
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Post by aramis on Nov 21, 2017 1:45:13 GMT -5
Paramount said no more fan series. Every fan film limited to (IIRC) 20 minutes, stand alone, no continuing characters.
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Post by finarvyn on Nov 25, 2017 7:53:50 GMT -5
Yeah, I heard that, too. I wish that STC would have been given a grandfather clause or had been interested in continuing. I guess the actors were pretty much done anyway.
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Post by Falconer on Nov 27, 2017 22:14:01 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if CBS/Paramount could come up with a sort of “DM’s Guild” style solution. Something where they could encourage grassroots creative activity while still protecting their rights.
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Post by aramis on Nov 28, 2017 11:00:09 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if CBS/Paramount could come up with a sort of “DM’s Guild” style solution. Something where they could encourage grassroots creative activity while still protecting their rights. Could, but probably won't. There's very little caselaw to support it, and that's way too big a risk for such a major property - one which still is bringing steady income from worldwide syndication, licensing, and subsidiary works. At least they still allow fan stories to be written and shared, and RPG's to be written.
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Post by vulcanridr on Mar 16, 2018 23:36:02 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if CBS/Paramount could come up with a sort of “DM’s Guild” style solution. Something where they could encourage grassroots creative activity while still protecting their rights. I'm not sure they wanted to. On one hand, some said that Axanar, the production they sued, were making a profit off of the production. They raked in over $1M in kickstarters, and were building a studio, etc. But if you look at Star Trek Continues, Star Trek New Voyages/Phase II, they also built studios. In my cynical mind, the main difference between Axanar and the other fan productions is that Axanar was in the same time period that Discovery was targeting, and that is why they sued. Now having said that, Star Trek Continues is amazing from the first episode to the last. Did they have some meh episodes? Sure. But so did TOS. The first episode, Pilgrim of Eternity, was a revisit of Apollo from Who Mourns for Adonais?, and actually featured the actor who portrayed Apollo from the original episode, Michael Forrest. They also got Chris Doohan, son of James Doohan, to fill his father's shoes in the role of Scotty. They also brought in the Romulan Commander from The Enterprise Incident in the STC finale. And they got Joanne Linville's daughter, Amy Rydell, to play her mother's role. Here is a side-by-side comparison of them in costume. http://instagram.com/p/BarixfanV1h All in all, this series transcends the "fan" film, and actually does something that not even Gene Roddenberry could do. It gives TOS a proper series finale, after over 50 years.
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Post by starcruiser on Mar 17, 2018 10:03:57 GMT -5
Axanar was actually licensing products (even Coffee!) and trying to make serious money from the Star Trek IP. Using the KS funds to build a studio was not the real issue in the suit...
Now, I do find it a bit suspicious that Axanar was set around the same time as ST:Discovery was meant to be, and dealing with ... sort of ... the same events (sort of because, frankly, Discovery is crap).
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Post by vulcanridr on Mar 17, 2018 11:06:17 GMT -5
Axanar was actually licensing products (even Coffee!) and trying to make serious money from the Star Trek IP. Using the KS funds to build a studio was not the real issue in the suit... They also dropped the "Star Trek" from Axanar prior to doing that. And I used to listen to the podcast, and the coffee was done by a fan who owns a coffee company. He did it because he is a fan, and no money changed hands. In fact, as I recall, the coffee guy was donating a percentage of the proceeds from the Axanar coffee to the production. But I also think a large part of it was that Axanar had made enough off of kickstarter that they could afford not only afford to build a studio, but also that they could afford professional actors of decent stature/former Trek and scifi actors in the cast. JG Hertzler (General Martok on DS9), Richard Hatch (Captain Apollo from original Battlestar Galactica, Tom Zarek from RDM's Battlestar Galactica), Kate Vernon (Ellen Tigh from RDM's Battlestar Galactica), Michael Hogan (Col Tigh from RDM's Battlestar Galactica),Tony Todd (Worf's brother Kurn from TNG and DS9) and Gary Graham (reprising his role of Soval from Enterprise). All in all, a better known cast than Discovery. Not only that, but they claim that the cast was flying around to the various Cons on Axanar money. Richard Hatch and company are actors, and would have money...And Alec Peters is a lawyer, and also runs an auction company, so I doubt he needed Axanar money to attend the various cons... Agreed. When they hung their politics on their sleeves and alienated half of their potential audience, that is not what Star Trek is about. And considering the production value of projects like Star Trek Continues, which came long before Axanar. Take a look at this side-by-side comparison of the end of Mirror, Mirror, filmed in 1966, and the beginning of The Fairest of Them All, filmed in 2014: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syt0llURkdo
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Post by starcruiser on Mar 17, 2018 20:24:35 GMT -5
Oh - I know. I've watched everything that Star Trek Continues has done (along with Star Trek Phase II and "Farragut"). There's a very obvious love of the subject present in everything they do...
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Post by vulcanridr on Mar 17, 2018 21:21:27 GMT -5
As have I (I'm the one Finarvyn said referred him). If you haven't heard Vic Mignogna interviewed about his motivation playing Kirk, you should. Especially his friendship with William Shatner, and how Captain Kirk became a father figure for him after his father and mother split up. I also found an interesting piece in a post-STC interview. Vic Mignogna and Michelle Sprecht (Dr. McKenna) are engaged.
A couple of other Fan productions I would also recommend. Star Trek: Of Gods and Men, which is an older video, and it's follow-on, Star Trek: Renegades. And, if you are an Enterprise fan (which I just watched through in the past 6 months or so), check out Star Trek: Horizon. Horizon is a true fan film, however the other ones have more than one Star Trek actors, including (among others) Walter Koenig, Nichelle Nichols, JG Hertzler, Gary Graham, Chase Masterson, Tim Russ, Garett Wang, etc. All should still be available on youtube or vimeo, and all are worth your time.
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