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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:57:25 GMT -5
Spock on classifying Trelane: Pure Mentality? Force of Intellect? Embodied Energy? Super-being?
I've categorized some ~80+ psionic instances into 7 categories with a bonus 8th related category. There are two duplicate entries in the form of The Dove and Redjac. Both listed as Vampire and Energy creature.
1. Human(oids)
2. Vampires
3. (Embodied) Energy/Transcendental
4. Computer/Tech/A.I./Android
5. Substances
6 . Aliens
7 . Vulcans
8 . Crazy Folk
Extra bonus 9th category 1. Interphasic Space. I believe this was unique.
If I've forgotten any or have a question why I put something on this list, please let me know. And yes I use the term Dove sardonically as that monster is no 'dove'.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:57:45 GMT -5
1. Human(oid) 01. Talosians 02. Gary Mitchell 03. Elizabeth Dehner 04. Charlie Evans 05. Evil/Good Kirk 06. Argellian Priestesses 07. Galt 08. Miranda Jones 09. Platonius, etal 10. Gem 11. Garth 12. Cherons, et al 13. Gideonites, et al 14. Nona, Priestess of Neural, et al 15. Isis 16. Tommy Starnes, et al 17. Antosians 18. Theela of Taurus II, et al 19. Magen of Omega Cygni 20. K'Zin 21. Vedala 22. Flint 23. 34. 25.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:58:04 GMT -5
2. Vampires01. M113 Creature -Corporeal 02. Apollo -Emotive 03. The Dove* -Emotive 04. Redjac* -Emotive 05. Space Ameba -Animus 06. Tribbles -Emotive, Corporeal, Animus
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:59:10 GMT -5
3. Energy/Transcendental 01. Trelane 02. Organians 03. Redjac 04. Metrons 05. Gorgon 06. Medusans 07. The Dove* 08. Zetar 09. Sargon 10. Hennok 11. Thalasia 12. Companion 13. Thasians 14. Lucien, et al 15. Magnetic Organism, BFS/a 16. Energy Cloud, PJ/a 17. 18. 19. 20.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:59:27 GMT -5
4. Computer/A.I./Android/Tech/Device01. Dr. Roger Korby 02. Dr. Brown 03. Andrea 04. Reena Kapec 05. Neural Neutralizer 06. Landru 07. Nomad 08. Vol 09. Mudd's Androids -process 10. Psycho Tricorder 11. Mind Sifter 12. The Teacher 13. Spock Controller box 14. Obelisk 15. Oracle 16. Lester Transfer Apparatus 17. Shore Leave Computer 18. Transmuter Wand 19. M-5 Computer 20. Dr. Sevrin's Research 21. Kalandan Outpost Computer 22. Soul of Skorr 23. Thought Duplicator 24. 25.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 1:59:44 GMT -5
5. Substances 01. Venus PIlls 02. Omicron Spores 03. Elasian Tears 04. Kironide 05. PSI 2000 Virus 06. Zenite 07. Mako Root 08. Theragen Derivitive 09. 10.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 2:00:00 GMT -5
6. Aliens 01. Flying Pancakes 02. Sylvia 03. Korob 04. Gamesters 05. Melkots 06. Yarnek 07. The Guardian 08. Vendorians 09. Rigellian Hypnoid 10. Lactrans 11. Ari Bn Bem of Pandro, et al 12. Kulkulkan 13. The Preservers 14. Kelvins 15.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 2:00:18 GMT -5
7. Vulcans01. Mind Meld -Spectre 02. Mind Fusion -Paradise Syn/In Truth 03. Mind Touch -numerous 04. 05.
Vulcans... This is one where all series apply to TOS in some regards. There would always have been the kohl i nar and all the other jazzamatazz from the films and additional shows. Sybock is out there right at this moment somewhere. Some shows such as the Picard Sarek duet expounded immensely on Vulcan depth. TNG Spock had its moments.
So, while all those lessons are applicable and could be backfed into TOS and more specifically these rules, I don't know how far to take that. Thus will leave everything we didn't see out of these basics as it also involves research beyond my scope. I don't know the other shows as well as I know TOS. I don't know TAS half as well. Even TNG is pretty freaking deep. Then, I've never seen more than a few eps of the other shows available. Lately I've had TAS looped in the background so that I'm at least soaking in the story, though not catching much of the visuals.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 2:00:38 GMT -5
8. Crazy Folk01. Lenore Karidian 02. Ben Finney 03. Matt Decker 04. M-5 05. Lee Marvick 06. Janice Lester 07. T'Char 08. Tristan Adams 09. 10.
I've included crazy folk as I am seeing PSI Attribute leading to insanity (when factoring with CHA and INT).
While any PSI ATT can be 01, for these purposes it is the reduction of the PSI Vector that may be the crazy indicator. Pv = (INT+CHA+PSI)/3 round down
As PSI Vector drops from attacks (mental co-opting or other means), once Vector hits 1/10 its original, insanity becomes more greatly induced or likely. While PSI Vector 00 = brain death, Vector 01-10 or so would indicate; Total, incomprehensible insanity at 01 through to milder symptoms such as sociopathy showing up at Vector 09 or so whatever the individual 1/10th mark is).
Empathic/Sympathetic/Sympatico responses to other lifeforms derive from PSI Vector.
The higher the Vector, the more 'stable' the personality as opposed to others. The only effect is to take longer to reach the sociopathic levels of mental disorder. And that's what insanity is, a disorder of mental processes or cognition. Any destruction to the PSI Vector leads to mental distortion and insanity. What form the insanity is, I don't think that can be covered by a ruleset and will have to be game dependent on where the GM is taking things.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 3:36:47 GMT -5
9. Interphasic Space 1. Interphasic Space
I don't know that there were any other fixed locations that held psionic attacks that weren't also devices or tech such as the control room in the Obelisk. Or there was some Picard or Data episode where one got taken over by a mask or sceptre or some block of stone that was related to a place I think (I've tried to blank that one out of memory). (And Picard had that flute episode.)
So, objects are not locations though they may be 'permanently' in place such as a house. It is the house or graveyard under the house that is psionically active, not the very fabric of space itself that is the house or graveyard. And that is not to say that Interphasic Space is psionic in any way, just that the influence it exerts on the mind for game mechanics is felt through the PSI and countered with the Theragen Derivitive McCoy came up with. I hadn't thought about when I wrote it, but this is an example of a PSI Blocker drug at work (whereas the Venus Pill and Plato Juice were PSI Boosters). I created PSI Blocker as the anti-Booster, but didn't think there were any show examples. Nice! Spock kind of did a PSI Blocker at the OK Coral, but mentally instead of chemically.
And note: Tribbles are the most horrific of vampires! They suck the love right out of you and poop out more of them to suck more love out of you with their cuddily-wuddily ways and ... um. Yeah. Horrible monsters.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 4:02:38 GMT -5
Psionic Rules, Jack Photon's 3rd/4th Edition Book 2, pages ~33-58 For reference, minimum Human PSI Vector is (43+43+1) /3 = 29. Not discussed in those rules is Insanity. Lee Marvick is probably the best example of PSI-induced insanity and his character sheet could not have been too good to begin with. From the moment he introduces himself, Lee comes off as stilted and awkward. His personality doesn't express any better from there. As an Engineer, I'll guess he dumped all his bonus points into INT and ignored his other Atts and rolled badly in general. Lee also did not have a magnanimous GM that allowed re-rolls on 1's and 2's. Let's call Lee as: STR 45 END 45 INT 90 DEX 45 CHA 43 COOL 25 LUC 10 PSI 01 PSI Vector 44 As Lead designer on a Connie, I'll give him a INT 90. INT 80 would be getting into Kirk range and 95+ is Daystrom range. lee's CHA could not be lower per the dice and a PSI 01 seems quite appropriate. However, GM could easily rule the bad love affair could have been the latest in a long line of them for his low CHA vs.high INT making him difficult to be around and has been a hit to his CHA or his overall Vector over the years. Or not. Marvicks' true CHA is likely closer to 35 is my guess. But even substituting (INT)80+35+1 is PSI Vector 40, so not much difference even for the lower ATTs. With a Pv of 44 vs. base 29 for humans, he is certainly 'stable' enough on paper. Either way, it is his anxieties that drive him to Kolos and true insanity. The mere sight of Medusans causes some as yet determined dice damage/attack vs. the PSI Vector. However, when dice damage to Vector is too much, it then rolls over to PSI Attribute. So while Brain Death occurs at PSI Vector 00, physical death occurs at PSI ATT 00. (Lt. Joe Toromolen was the first demo of this effect, Naked Time.) The Medusan effect rather than being 'instantaneous' seems more like draining a bath tub. The damage keeps pouring down over minutes to hours depending. We also get Spock hit by the same effect and see a different routing to the same result (death). Not only does Spock have a much higher PSI ATT, but also INT giving him a Vector likely twice that of Marvick depending on how your write Spock's Atts. From my Fresh Faces post here, Spock comes in at PSI Vector 79. It's the low CHA that does Spock in as well, but it's not nearly as low as Marvick. (Spock 1st edition = Pv 87!) Per my 4th (& 3rd )edition, Vulcans also have a PSI Pool from which to spend points on their powers. For game mechanics, the Medusan attack is so overwhelming as to drain Spock's Pool, Vector and Att, dropping him past Brain Death and on the way to physical death. It is the telepathic restoration of Spock's boot sectors that get him back to PSI Vector 01 or better. From there, the brain would naturally 'heal' itself back to full rating in all cases, not only Spock's. Marvick with no PSI Pool to help, dropped straight to death faster, but 'could' have been saved as well potentially. I don't expect Dr. Jones would have wanted to help Lee, even if she could. Miranda was her own piece of psychosis and too suffered from the low CHA messing up her Vector. And yes, Miranda does have a PSI Pool unlike every other human whom do not for their lack of PSI ability. All PSI beings/creatures have a Pool on top of their Vector. All damage goes first to Pool, then Vector, then Att to physical death at PSI ATT 00.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 4:34:22 GMT -5
Back to the Medusans in particular. With wide reports of insanity followed by death, Marvick and Spock are the only two examples we have. The differences could be 'blood-species' based or psionic/non-psionic-species based. I'll go with the later.
Per game mechanics what we saw in each case was the instantaneous loss of all PSI Vector with a lingering in the 1/10th range followed by a PSI ATT to 00 and death.
In the case of the non-psionic human, loss of PSI ATT was near-instantaneous. In dice damage, The Medusan did at least 45 points to Marvick covering his Pv 44 and Pa 01.
In the case of the psionic dominant-Vulcan/recessive-Human hybrid, the loss of PSI ATT takes some time while the leap to insanity was near-instantaneous.
I will posit that while PSI damage 'typically' drains first from Pool to Vector to Attribute; the Medusan attack bypasses the Pool, disallowing mental defenses to the 'attack', goes straight to Vector down to 1/10th at which Spock would have fallen UNC soon enough if they hadn't been in such a hurry to knock him out. It is then that while Marvick perished immediately, the bypassed PSI Pool now kicks in and slows the countdown to death which is still inexorable, but avoidable as posited in the 3rd/4th edition ruleset. Perhaps Spock is losing PSI 01 per 1~5 minutes, so it will take a few hours at most for him to go naturally.
In the case of dice damage to Spock, it would have been in the 150+/- pts range. That suggests similar for Marvick. It could be that the more overwhelming the damage, the faster the degradation.
There are no guidelines to the restoration of such mental damages, but clearly possible through mind linking as later demonstrated in ST:TNG with Picard/Sarek. In this instance, Miranda was able to use herself to stabilize Spock who then gets all up-in-her-grill and we go all-fish-eye til things are better.
It also seems that contact with Spock helped stabilize her inner jealosies and restored some Vector or CHA to her that had been lost or buried under for the stresses she would have had growing up.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 11, 2022 4:47:20 GMT -5
There are a few questionable entries: Is the Oracle a simple computer transmitting damage to people's heads via implant, or is it an A.I. wielding Psionic frequencies as focused by the implant? Whereas Landru does appear to by an A.I. wielding more than simple waveforms but into Psionic frequencies for directing the minions, instilling festival and so on. Of course, that could all be standard electronic warfare on a populace as well. Then, there's a being like Reena Kapec who gains PSI Attribute of 01 and immediately perishes on the dichotomies instilled.
Speaking of androids, Roger Korby and Brown make a good topic.
I wold posit that while the PSI ATT would be imprinted, it would fade over time/circumstance or not fully take (as in M-5 computer). Knowledge of the process happening to you would instill the initial rip with the base humanity as espoused through PSI Vector. Korby was highly egotistical and that was his lifeline to humanity. Left alone with robot friends, where Brown became part of the furniture within himself and to Korby and the others, the great Doctor Korby himself maintained his unshakeable humanity while the physical and social ice grew solidified him over years. Korby was left convinced of his full humanity (PSI Vector full rating) though his PSI ATT itself was lingering at an actual 01 for his ego. It is when confronted with actual humanity and his own roboticized being and the potential for Andrea to gain PSI 01 that Korby goes PSI ATT 00 and pulls the trigger. One metaphysical dichotomy and its back to Diva Droid International for servicing or replacement.
Brown appears to have gone to the robot side with relative ease, perhaps not having a strong CHA or self-assurance in the first place. A similar fate would have befallen Uhura had she not been fooling Mudd's androids -the process for which they are included on this list. The androids themselves were all PSI ATT 00 as all robot/A.I. are.
It could also be that an imprinted android like Korby might have maintained full PSI had he been integrated back into society immediately rather than isolated with actual robo-droids for years on end.
All discussion welcome.
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Post by Jack Photon on Apr 13, 2022 15:28:08 GMT -5
I think this covers everything needed.
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Post by Jack Photon on Aug 12, 2023 15:51:31 GMT -5
A summary note to date: While the Psionic Rules were written into my 3rd Edition Framework and did not change going into the 4.0th Fantaversary Revision; all of the above was not in the 3rd edition book, but is now the new Rev 4.0 primer which kicks off the Psionic section of Book 2, Piece of the Action. Also note, I printed a few copies of the above Syllabus Psionica to have on hand for myself. In the last week or so when a psionic episode comes on I'll grab a sheet, note the name and circle any powers or effects observed. No formal work being done, just random notes being being jotted down for the day when the PSI Club Supplement is ready to begin formal considerations. PSI Club will detail every psionic interaction seen in the show with underlying game mechanics described, derived or created from, including TAS. Also to note is that all the Jack Photon books are now available for online preview and download at the Internet Archive for as long as they host them. That said, grab it all while you can! archive.org/details/@phantfAnd see this thread here for complete Jack Photon details as well. oldschooltrek.proboards.com/thread/818/jack-photon-0th-fantaversary-revision
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