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Post by aramis on Aug 21, 2010 1:29:01 GMT -5
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- empty hex • planet * BATS # Starbase H Hydrax K Klinzai K Kzin T Tholia 1 2 3 Gdhar 1, 2 and 3 R r Romulus and Remus S Sol O Orion
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Post by Falconer on Aug 21, 2010 12:18:41 GMT -5
If you resolve the combats with SFB, each turn can result in up to a dozen battles... typically 2-5 per turn, with an average of 4-6 ships per battle... so using it as an SFB scenario generator WILL run quite a while. Are we talking potentially around 1-4 years, i.e. like a D&D campaign? (That would be cool!) P.S. Thanks for the ASCII map!
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Post by aramis on Aug 21, 2010 12:43:32 GMT -5
If you resolve the combats with SFB, each turn can result in up to a dozen battles... typically 2-5 per turn, with an average of 4-6 ships per battle... so using it as an SFB scenario generator WILL run quite a while. Are we talking potentially around 1-4 years, i.e. like a D&D campaign? (That would be cool!) P.S. Thanks for the ASCII map! Fed Space is 6 month turns. Playing out the general war (168-180) is 24 turns. Playing one SFB battle is 2-8 hours... call it one per session. 2-6 battles per turn per side, call it four... say, 4-6 sessions a side-turn... yeah, it could run several years that way. If you're going to do the "free campaign", however, F&E is the better solution.
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Post by aramis on Aug 21, 2010 14:54:17 GMT -5
And now, the F&E map in ascii... for comparison purposes.
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¢ minor planet $ major planet @ capital system * BATS # starbase ,, off map area access. Hydran Kzinti Federation Gorn Lyran Klingon Romulan Neutral WYN Cluster Tholians Intersellar Concordium
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Post by aramis on Aug 21, 2010 14:57:39 GMT -5
looking at the two, one can quickly see that everyone gets more bases in F&E... way more... and the Romulans, Hydrans, and Kzinti get more on-map space, plus the ISC and Lyrans are added.
The big change with F&E was the orders of battle, tho...
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Post by scourge101 on Aug 23, 2010 23:38:48 GMT -5
well they did add every sub class of ship. Not to mention all the supplements as well. But you could field what you want for SFB But I do believe SFB play will not give the same results as the the FS/FE battle roll. I just find too many battles come down to luck and skill.
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Post by blackbat242 on Aug 24, 2010 4:23:59 GMT -5
I just find too many battles come down to luck and skill. You mean like in the real world? Look at the history of naval warfare for the last 1,000 years or so... nearly as many battles have been won by the "weaker" side as by the "stronger", and "luck and skill" were the main factors in that. Luck of the commanders (and of "lucky shots"), and skill of the commanders and crews. So in your case, the luck of the dice replaces that of the commanders (and of "lucky shots"), and the skill of the player replaces that of the commanders and crews... seems pretty realistic to me.
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Post by aramis on Aug 24, 2010 11:08:34 GMT -5
well they did add every sub class of ship. Not to mention all the supplements as well. But you could field what you want for SFB But I do believe SFB play will not give the same results as the the FS/FE battle roll. I just find too many battles come down to luck and skill. I've found FS to give closer-to-sfb results than F&E; you can defeat in detail with the larger force, unlike F&E.
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Post by finarvyn on Aug 29, 2010 20:30:27 GMT -5
Hey, those are cool maps. I'll confess, however, that I haven't thought about ascii in a long time. The first gaming newsletter I did back in the mid-1980's was called "Frontiers" in honor of TOS and my header was done using a similar style. A pain to do, compared to today's modern nifty graphics and fonts..... Nice work, anyway!
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Post by finarvyn on Aug 29, 2010 20:31:25 GMT -5
The Lyrans weren’t in TAS, as far as I know... you’re thinking of the Kzinti there, no? Damn. Brain cramp.
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Post by aramis on Aug 30, 2010 0:21:02 GMT -5
Of the SFB ships and their sources: TOS: Fed CA, Kl D6/D7, Rom WB/WE, Rom KR, Thol PC, Gen Base BATS, Shuttle TOS-Referenced not seen: Gorn CA or BC (uncertain), Orion LR TAS: Fed CA, Kl D5/D7, Fed freighter, Fed YCA, Kzin CS, Shuttle FJP books: Kl D6/D7, Fed DN CA DD SC, Starbase, Shuttle, Warbird/WarEagle
Everything else is the fertile imaginations of the "SFB Council" or of SVC himself.
Fed Space sticks pretty close to "a DD, CL, CA or BC, DN, CVL, and CVA for every one."... F&E goes far further afield.
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Post by jeff on Dec 15, 2010 19:38:08 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I could find the Nexus FS expansion with the Lyrans?
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Post by aramis on Dec 16, 2010 20:15:44 GMT -5
Does anyone know where I could find the Nexus FS expansion with the Lyrans? I know I have it. I'll ascii it up eventually. (I just need to dig out the box it's in...)
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Post by aramis on Dec 17, 2010 4:31:10 GMT -5
Nexus 6 and 9 Fed Space articles at: talk.consimworld.com/WebX?50@562.v4LEbbBkPsP.2@.ee6d8d0scroll down a ways, you'll see two images of the Fed Space 9 articles Right under the second is a link to Lyran Space. Not my scans. Oh, and Lyran Space doesn't give factors for Lyran ships. Top of the page is someone's TNG variant... Not very Old School I'm about to ascii the combined FS/LS map. ..............
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Post by aramis on Dec 17, 2010 5:15:31 GMT -5
Fed Space map with Lyran Space added. .- - - - - - - - • - - - - - - - - - • - - ? - • * * - - - - - • - - - - - - .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - • - - - - • - * * - - - - 2 - - - - 3 - - - .• - - • - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - • * - * * - - 1 - - • - - • - - - * - .- * - * • - - - - - - - - - - * - * - - - - • - * - - - • - * - - * W * - - .- - - - * - - - * - - * - - * - • - - - - • - - - * - - * - - • - • * - - - .- - - - • - * - - - - - - * - - - - - - H - • - * - - - - - - - - * - - • - .- - # * - - • - • - - - • * • - * – – - • - - * - - - - - - - - - * - - - • . * - • - - - - - - K - - # * - - - K - - - * - - • - - - • - - - - * • - # - .- • - - - - - - - - - • - * - - - - - - - - - - - * - * - * - * - * • - • - .- - * - - - - - - • - - - - - * - - - - • - - • * - - * - * - * - * - * * • .- - - - - - * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - • * • - - • - - - - • - - - - .- - - - - * - - - - - - - - # - - - - - - * - - - - - - - - - - - O - - - .- • - - * - - - • - - - • - - - - - - * - * - - • - - - - - - - - - - - - - .* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * - - - - - - • - - - - • - - - .T * - - - # - - - - - S - - • - - - - - - - * - - - • - - - - - • - - - - - .* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - * - - * - - - - - - - - - - - - - - .- - - - - - - - - • - • - - - - - - - - - - * - * - - - - - - - - - - • - - .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - # - - - - - • - - - * - • - - - • - - - - - - .- - - - * - - - - - - - - - • - - - - - - - # - - - * - * - - * - - - * - • .- - - - - - - - - - - - - * - - * - - - - - - - - * - - * * - • - - • - - - .- - - • - - - - - - - - - - - - # - - - - - - - - - - - - * - - • - - - - - .- - - - - - • - - * - - - - - - - - - - - - R - - - - # - * - # - - - 2 1 - .- • - r - - - - - - - - - - - - 3 - - - - - - - - - - - • * - - • - - - - - .- - - - - - - - - - * - - - - - • - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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