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Post by Falconer on Oct 6, 2020 9:25:42 GMT -5
I’m making a timeline of the TOS episodes. I’m mostly ignoring the stardates given in the episodes—I’ll be effectively giving them new stardates (and earth dates). I’m not asking anyone to accept these dates as canon or headcanon, it’s just a practical matter of being able to know how long ago an episode “happened” relative to my game (adittedly it’s not that important even in this context). Rules: - 1 stardate = 1 earth day per Writer’s Guide (they explain the “fudging” but let’s un-fudge it)
- Use filming date (first day) as default reference for time passage
- Miri takes place in earth year 2260
- Charlie X takes place on Thanksgiving = November 22, 2260
- There is a gap in time (3 months?) between Court Martial and The Menagerie
- Errand of Mercy takes place on Stardate 3198 = sometime in December 12-31, 2261
- There is a gap in time (3 months?) between The Paradise Syndrome and The Enterprise Incident
- Day of the Dove takes place about 3 years after Errand of Mercy
- The Cage takes place about 13 years before The Menagerie
More thoughts/explanations/caveats/observations later.
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Post by Stan on Oct 6, 2020 12:03:42 GMT -5
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Post by Falconer on Oct 6, 2020 12:32:07 GMT -5
Okay, here is my stab. I had to bump Miri up a year, but overall the results pass the squint test. I remembered that Dagger of the Mind takes place after a Christmas party. Time passes a little faster than the shooting dates, even accounting for the gaps. Day of the Dove is less than 3 years after Errand of Mercy, but within the range that you might refer to it as three years ago. The Cage is exactly 13 years before The Menagerie, which is weird but in lieu of any other data, it is the best I can do. Turnabout Intruder is exactly on the anniversary of The Corbomite Maneuver, which I love, since Kirk has to have the same sort of physical. # | Name | Stardate | Earth Date | 1 | The Cage | [-1688] | 7/27/2248 | 2 | Where No Man Has Gone Before | 2353 | 8/20/2259 | 3 | The Corbomite Maneuver | 2751 | 9/21/2260 | 4 | Mudd's Women | 2762 | 10/2/2260 | 5 | The Enemy Within | 2778 | 10/18/2260 | 6 | The Man Trap | 2788 | 10/28/2260 | 7 | The Naked Time | 2798 | 11/7/2260 | 8 | Charlie X | 2813 | 11/22/2260 | 9 | Balance of Terror | 2824 | 12/3/2260 | 10 | What Are Little Girls Made Of? | 2834 | 12/13/2260 | 11 | Dagger of the Mind | 2850 | 12/29/2260 | 12 | Miri | 2867 | 1/15/2261 | 13 | The Conscience of the King | 2895 | 2/12/2261 | 14 | The Galileo Seven | 2906 | 2/23/2261 | 15 | Court Martial | 2921 | 3/10/2261 | 16 | The Menagerie | 3060 | 7/27/2261 | 17 | Shore Leave | 3070 | 8/6/2261 | 18 | The Squire of Gothos | 3082 | 8/18/2261 | 19 | Arena | 3096 | 9/1/2261 | 20 | The Alternative Factor | 3106 | 9/11/2261 | 21 | Tomorrow is Yesterday | 3122 | 9/27/2261 | 22 | The Return of the Archons | 3132 | 10/7/2261 | 24 | Space Seed | 3143 | 10/18/2261 | 23 | A Taste of Armageddon | 3159 | 11/3/2261 | 25 | This Side of Paradise | 3170 | 11/14/2261 | 26 | The Devil in the Dark | 3185 | 11/29/2261 | 27 | Errand of Mercy | 3198 | 12/12/2261 | 28 | The City on the Edge of Forever | 3208 | 12/22/2261 | 29 | Operation—Annihilate! | 3222 | 1/5/2262 | 30 | Catspaw | 3321 | 4/14/2262 | 31 | Metamorphosis | 3333 | 4/26/2262 | 32 | Friday’s Child | 3343 | 5/6/2262 | 33 | Who Mourns for Adonais? | 3358 | 5/21/2262 | 34 | Amok Time | 3370 | 6/2/2262 | 35 | The Doomsday Machine | 3384 | 6/16/2262 | 36 | Wolf in the Fold | 3393 | 6/25/2262 | 37 | The Changeling | 3405 | 7/7/2262 | 38 | The Apple | 3415 | 7/17/2262 | 39 | Mirror, Mirror | 3429 | 7/31/2262 | 40 | The Deadly Years | 3441 | 8/12/2262 | 41 | I, Mudd | 3451 | 8/22/2262 | 42 | The Trouble with Tribbles | 3465 | 9/5/2262 | 43 | Bread and Circuses | 3492 | 10/2/2262 | 44 | Journey to Babel | 3504 | 10/14/2262 | 45 | A Private Little War | 3514 | 10/24/2262 | 47 | Obsession | 3527 | 11/6/2262 | 46 | The Gamesters of Triskelion | 3537 | 11/16/2262 | 48 | The Immunity Syndrome | 3548 | 11/27/2262 | 49 | A Piece of the Action | 3558 | 12/7/2262 | 50 | By Any Other Name | 3568 | 12/17/2262 | 51 | Return to Tomorrow | 3581 | 12/30/2262 | 52 | Patterns of Force | 3593 | 1/11/2263 | 53 | The Ultimate Computer | 3603 | 1/21/2263 | 54 | The Omega Glory | 3613 | 1/31/2263 | 55 | Assignment: Earth | 3637 | 2/24/2263 | 56 | Spectre of the Gun | 3817 | 8/23/2263 | 57 | Elaan of Troyius | 3830 | 9/5/2263 | 58 | The Paradise Syndrome | 3844 | 9/19/2263 | 59 | The Enterprise Incident | 3943 | 12/27/2263 | 60 | And the Children Shall Lead | 3953 | 1/6/2264 | 61 | Spock’s Brain | 3968 | 1/21/2264 | 62 | Is There in Truth No Beauty? | 3978 | 1/31/2264 | 63 | The Empath | 3989 | 2/11/2264 | 64 | The Tholian Web | 4004 | 2/26/2264 | 65 | For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky | 4014 | 3/7/2264 | 66 | Day of the Dove | 4043 | 4/5/2264 | 67 | Plato’s Stepchildren | 4067 | 4/29/2264 | 68 | Wink of an Eye | 4078 | 5/10/2264 | 69 | That Which Survives | 4089 | 5/21/2264 | 70 | Let That Be Your Last Battlefield | 4099 | 5/31/2264 | 71 | Whom Gods Destroy | 4112 | 6/13/2264 | 72 | The Mark of Gideon | 4123 | 6/24/2264 | 73 | The Lights of Zetar | 4135 | 7/6/2264 | 74 | The Cloud Minders | 4149 | 7/20/2264 | 75 | The Way to Eden | 4161 | 8/1/2264 | 76 | Requiem for Methuselah | 4175 | 8/15/2264 | 77 | The Savage Curtain | 4186 | 8/26/2264 | 78 | All Our Yesterdays | 4198 | 9/7/2264 | 79 | Turnabout Intruder | 4212 | 9/21/2264 |
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Post by Stan on Oct 6, 2020 19:27:27 GMT -5
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Post by Falconer on Oct 6, 2020 21:42:20 GMT -5
Sure, just give me a thanks somewhere: Sokolov, Philip (“Falconer”). Old School Star Trek Player’s Handbook, 2020.
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Post by Falconer on Oct 6, 2020 22:58:34 GMT -5
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Post by c57d on Oct 7, 2020 4:59:47 GMT -5
I, for one, love your uniform designs. An elegant blend of TOS colours (and miniskirt option) and TMP-ish cut.
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Post by Stan on Oct 7, 2020 7:14:48 GMT -5
I like them too; I didn't design them though, I found them someplace on the internet :-)
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Post by c57d on Oct 7, 2020 9:02:38 GMT -5
Either way they are the best TOS uniform redesigns/extrapolations I have seen. I particualy like the female long smocktop/trousers look. For at least twenty years, I have found the whole miniskirt/tights thing pretty silly for serving officers encountering the mysteries and dangers of deep space. And so I have "head cannoned" it into a long smocktop/leggings set. I find that more sensible. YMMV
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Post by Falconer on Oct 7, 2020 11:24:34 GMT -5
I don't think anything will ever top the TOS costumes, for me.
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Post by Stan on Oct 7, 2020 13:41:24 GMT -5
Back on the Stardate topic, Falconer, what day/year would be Stardate 0.0 in your reckoning? And did you include leap years in your calculations (if not, that's OK by me, just wondering).
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Post by Falconer on Oct 7, 2020 16:23:09 GMT -5
In Excel, you just add 129002 to the stardate, and it generates an Excel datevalue. It calculates out the Gregorian Calendar date, of course taking into account leap years. 129002 works out to 3/11/2253. 2253, what happened in 2253? Well, based on the stardate system beginning and the Siva class being authorized (the first group of ships since the original authorizations which happened at the signing of the Articles of Federation), I extrapolate that a major Federation congress was held. FASA also holds that, in this year (2201 by their reckoning), Christopher Pike delivered a report on the Orion slave trade, and the First Amendment to the Articles of Federation is passed, banning this practice. This would also be 2259 by the current “official” (TNG/DS9) timeline, which happens to be the year that Star Trek Into Darkness takes place in the alternate timeline, according to Memory Alpha.
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Post by Falconer on Oct 12, 2020 12:56:15 GMT -5
83 | Beyond the Farthest Star | 4226 | 10/5/2264
| 86 | Yesteryear | 4278 | 11/26/2264 | 82 | One of Our Planets Is Missing
| 4285 | 12/3/2264 | 84 | The Survivor | 4307 | 12/25/2264 | 85 | The Lorelei Signal | 4388 | 3/16/2265 | 81 | The Infinite Vulcan | 4408 | 4/5/2265 | 96 | Once Upon a Planet | 4415 | 4/12/2265 | 87 | Mudd’s Passion | 4419 | 4/16/2265 | 88 | The Magicks of Megas-tu | 4429 | 4/26/2265 | 94 | The Terratin Incident | 4430 | 4/27/2265 | 89 | The Time Trap | Unknown
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| 80 | More Tribbles, More Troubles | 4446 | 5/13/2265 | 92 | The Ambergris Element | 4454 | 5/21/2265 | 99 | The Jihad | 4458 | 5/25/2265 | 93 | The Pirates of Orion | 4457 | 5/24/2265 | 98 | Albatross | 4512 | 7/18/2265 | 100 | The Practical Joker | Unknown |
| 101 | How Sharper Than a Serpent’s Tooth | 4536 | 8/11/2265 | 102 | The Counter-Clock Incident | 4547 | 8/22/2265 | 97 | The Eye of the Beholder
| 4555 | 8/30/2265 | 95 | Bem | 4557 | 9/1/2265 | 80 | The Slaver Weapon | 4570 | 9/14/2265 |
Here I have done the Animated Adventures. The novelizations by Alan Dean Foster have already more-or-less done what I wanted, which is assign new stardates in order to weave the stories into a more coherent timeline. Note that a lot of the dates are close together, because in most cases ADF took three episodes and weaved them into a single adventure. From this I subtracted 1095*. About halfway through, ADF starts incrementing stardates by .1/day rather than by 1, so I compensated for that. I am pretty happy with the result. The stories extend the timeline a single year, which seems right to me. * - If I don’t do this, there is a 3-year gap between the end of TOS and the beginning of TAS. That wouldn’t bother me, however I don’t want to introduce a gap that wasn’t intended and which has never been contemplated in any chronology that I know of. The exact number was arrived at by the fact that The Survivor starts on Christmas Day.
And there you have it—a perfect five-year mission!
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Post by ThrorII on Dec 16, 2020 21:30:44 GMT -5
First post here, but a long time reader.
If you divorce the TOS from the later movies and shows, there is solid evidence that the writers believed Star Trek was the 22nd Century, not the 23rd - Space Seed's 200 years sine 1996, to Kirk's "200 years" being just about right in the Enterprise Incident (1960s), to Lincoln being dead 300 years in The Savage Curtain.
Coincidently, January 8, 2191 at 2am is 121313.1 using the Modified Julian Day system. And since the First two digits ("12") only change every 27 years (roughly a generation) it could be written 1313.1 - which is the Stardate for "Where No Man Has Gone Before". Not that the writers plotted that, but it is interesting.
Space Seed established interplanetary travel in the 1990s, and we are told "by 2018" a new propulsion system was developed. Assuming "Metamorphosis" took place in 2191 (Season 1), then Cochrane went missing around 2041 at the age of 87 (If "150 years" means 125-165 years (+/- 10%) He could have disappeared between 2026 and 2066). It is possible that the "New Propulsion system" discovered in 2018 was the warp drive. Cochrane would have been between 39 to 79 years old.
Just thoughts....
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Post by Falconer on Dec 17, 2020 1:59:00 GMT -5
Hey, welcome, ThrorII! Thanks for posting here.
Yeah, I think you’re right, the episodes commonly mention 200 years or two centuries. Yet The Making of Star Trek is pretty clear on the fact that the show was set in the 23rd Century. That book was published contemporary with TOS, and the 23rd Century quotes come straight from Roddenberry, and this has influenced fan thought ever since. So why the discrepancy? I think the truth is that, lacking a more concrete date, most writers simply thought in terms of the year 2201. Put another way, if you’re writing in 1966, the 23rd Century is 235 years away — what pretty much anyone would in most contexts speak of as 200 years.
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