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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2021 9:58:44 GMT -5
I’m trying to read many of the 80’s and 90’s pocket books in chronological order. According to TrekNovels.com, the following novels all occur in 2270. I believe the 5 year mission ended in 2270, so are these all after the 5 year mission, or during the 5 year mission? Thanks in advance :-)
(1) The Final Reflection – John M. Ford – May 1984 (#16)
(2) Dreadnought! – Diane Carey – May 86 (#29)
(3) Battlestations! – Diane Carey – Nov 86 (#31)
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Post by c57d on Nov 30, 2021 10:19:47 GMT -5
I can only comment on "The Final Reflection". It has a four/five page framing section which is (I believe) set during the Five Year Mission of TOS.
But the actual story happens around 30-40 years before that. Section one is around forty years, sections two and three around thirty(McCoy appears as a baby and Spock as a young child) .
It is difficult to be any more precise since most of the action (and chronology ) is Klingon.
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Post by Falconer on Nov 30, 2021 11:17:30 GMT -5
Dates for the 5-year Mission, as I understand them:
T-Canon: 2260 - 2265
R-Canon / F-Canon: 2207 - 2212
S-Canon: Y155 - Y160 (=2555-2560)
O-Canon: 2266 - 2271
This assumes the Mission began in September, like a school year or a TV season. Obviously, the early part of the first season include a Thanksgiving episode (CX) and a Christmas episode (DMd). That’s why the Mission spans 6 calendar years. This further assumes that WNM is not part of the 5-year Mission but rather part of a previous mission, which is my preference. But some assume the 5-year Mission began in the beginning of the year, and WNM is the only adventure we see in the Spring, and we just don’t see any of them until the Fall (CMn). In that case, the 5-year Mission can theoretically span exactly 5 calendar years, but then we must crunch the bulk of the 5-year Mission into 4.5 years.
In any case, the Organian Treaty occurs in the second calendar year of the Mission (T-2261, R/F-2208, S-Y156, O-2267).
F-Canon and R-Canon share dates since they are both based on the Spaceflight Chronology. TFR’s main story fictionalizes many elements directly from the Spaceflight Chronology, especially the Dissolution Babel of 2177 (Spaceflight Chronology, p. 168, see also pp. 158-9, 154, 140). That’s 30 years before the start of the 5-year Mission.
The framing story of TFR is stated to be 10 years after the Organian Treaty. In this framing story, Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Rand are all still aboard the Enterprise having continuing adventures. The only logical explanation is the supposition (common to many of these R-Canon novels) that Kirk had another 5-year Mission post-TMP. Thus:
2177 Dissolution Babel (end of The Final Reflection main story)
2207 Start of 5-year Mission
2208 Organian Treaty
2212 End of 5-year Mission
2215 V’ger Incident; start of second 5-year Mission
2218 The Final Reflection framing story
2220 End of second 5-year Mission
(Adjust for preferred canon dates.)
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2021 12:01:03 GMT -5
Dates for the 5-year Mission, as I understand them: T-Canon: 2260 - 2265 R-Canon / F-Canon: 2207 - 2212 S-Canon: Y155 - Y160 (=2555-2560) O-Canon: 2266 - 2271 <...> The only logical explanation is the supposition (common to many of these R-Canon novels) that Kirk had another 5-year Mission post-TMP. Thus: 2177 Dissolution Babel (end of The Final Reflection main story) 2207 Start of 5-year Mission 2208 Organian Treaty 2212 End of 5-year Mission 2215 V’ger Incident; start of second 5-year Mission 2218 The Final Reflection framing story 2220 End of second 5-year Mission (Adjust for preferred canon dates.) Oh wow! I didn't know about the 2nd five-year mission idea which would explain a lot. I think I may have heard that idea but it had escaped my mind! Those are great insights. I need to mull over which of the canons (T, R, S, or O) to use for future campaigns and for my novel reading list, since I'm trying to craft a reading list that is consistent with the canon I plan to use in future games. :-) |
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2021 12:08:54 GMT -5
What is 'O-Canon' -- on-screen canon, meaning canon that developed post-TOS (like in TNG, etc.)?
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Post by Falconer on Nov 30, 2021 13:37:15 GMT -5
What is 'O-Canon' -- on-screen canon, meaning canon that developed post-TOS (like in TNG, etc.)? Exactly. I need to mull over which of the canons (T, R, S, or O) to use for future campaigns As long as you are able to “translate” between them, you should be able to slot in just about anything. I don’t think I have ever referred to the earth date in-game; just used normal TOS-style stardates, which is IMO how it should be. Of course I use FJ ships (Destroyer, etc.) right off the bat, but that’s basically baked in to all of the old school Star Trek RPGs. |
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2021 15:05:03 GMT -5
I use stardates as well in-game. What makes this a bit more complicated for me is that I'm aspiring to have a master list of 'approved' canon tie-in products (Technical Manuel, Rihannsu-Verse novels, etc.). I've also got a Star Trek book club where some of the same folks in my Star Trek games are also reading novels, so I'm trying to make sense of it all. I really like to have a coherent universe. Not always easy, but thank all of you for your help on all this! :-)
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Post by Falconer on Nov 30, 2021 16:06:10 GMT -5
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Post by Stan on Nov 30, 2021 16:16:55 GMT -5
Awesome! Reading the FASA Trek Timeline v1.pdf now and pondering purchasing Voyages of Imagination: The Star Trek Fiction Companion :-)
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